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Calming the Chaos

Calming the Chaos is a podcast by Licensed Mental Health Counselor Tracy Kenela. She uses profound and often humorous stories from her own life to illustrate how chaos can show up, and how emotional it can be! Anxiety, depression, fear, worry, shame and overwhelm can be managed using a variety of simple tools, skills and techniques. Tracy uses her experience as a counselor and her own personal work to provide you with hope…as well as some simple coping techniques, support and encouragement... that will help you move toward a more peaceful and enjoyable life.

Dec 19, 2020

Episode Title: “We Learn Through Chaos”

Intro: In this episode, Tracy interviews Lisa Mustard, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Podcaster and Educator. Lisa talks about how she developed Podcourses, which provide Continuing Education Credits (CEUs) to Licensed Counselors that are convenient, enjoyable and fun! We also talk about how Lisa calmed her chaos as a wife, mother of two, and a successful podcaster while developing and implementing her Podcourses. If you are a therapist who wants an enjoyable way to earn CEUs… or… if you’d like to develop your own Podcourses, Lisa’s interview will help you begin your journey!


  1. Introduction to Lisa Mustard
  • Therapist in the Military population led to burnout
  • In addressing her burnout, she learned to work smarter….not harder
  • Lisa Visualized a more effective way to educate therapists at their convenience
  • The idea of Podcourses was born!


  1. Podcourses – What are they?
  • It’s a podcast you listen to and get credit for listening through a self-study quiz
  • The information is free…and…if you want credits, you can purchase a Podcourse
  • Lisa’s group “The Talk Therapy Lounge” is at
  • It’s about therapists who want to be on podcasts, or for therapists who have podcasts and want therapist to provide education


  1. Process – Before you go to the NBCC (National Board of Certified Counselors)
  • State process – Most States require National Board of Certified Counselor
  • Legal paperwork and business entity verification
  • Create Learning Objectives: for a CEU podcast, 3-4 learning objectives
  • Contact Experts in their field
  • Talk for 60 minutes and take notes on each course
  • Create a self-study quiz and evaluation
  • Certificate of completion
  • Keep records
  • Learning management system
  • Send them a check


  1. Calming the Chaos while you wait for Approval
    • It took so long!
    • I have to create the content
    • The red tape requirements
    • The evaluations
    • How will I market it?
    • Platform – “LearnDash” or another platform?
    • It will cost money!
    • Should I be spending my energy on this?
    • Will they accept me?
    • Working with the IT professional
  2. Skills Learned along the way
    • “The Headless Way” Interview with Richard Lang
    • Meditation in the simplest way: Who we are at center
    • Exercise: Who are we at center?
    • When you point your finger at yourself…who are you
    • What is presenting?
    • Let things happen, and let things be!
  3. How to sign up for Podcourses
    • Go onto Lisa’s website
    • Listen to the Podcourse
    • Take the quiz
    • Get your certificate!
  4. Listen to Lisa’s Podcast! There are a variety of different subjects, but I love that Lisa has brought attention to Eating Disorders (which is my specialty area)

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Tracy also created a mindfulness CD called “On This Day.” This CD teaches you how to practice mindfulness in less than 10 minutes throughout the day. Practicing mindfulness has been shown to reduce stress and increase clear thinking in times of chaos.

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Thanks for listening, and take care!